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the_lung
01-11-2005, 11:04 AM
Hello, I am a disc golfer from Pennsylvania. From time to time my company sends me on trips to our production facility near Houston. While on business travel or on vacation, I like to play new disc golf courses and write reviews of them. I have assembled a web page of my reviews that can be accessed here: Review of Disc Golf Courses (http://www.geocities.com/the_lung/discgolf.htm)

Some obligatory background info and Disc Claimer: I have tried to keep any negative comments to a minimum, since I am sure countless hours of blood, sweat and tears went into these courses, and having not contributed at all, I'm not going to rip on anyone's efforts. For the record, I've been playing disc golf for over eight years, and play in the Open division in tournaments. I personally prefer longer holes and courses that feature pro par 4 and par 5 holes. I am sick of pitch-and-putt courses! I have played over 110 courses, but always go into a new course with a positive attitude.

I drove out to Beaumont on Sunday to play the two courses there. The weather couldn’t have been more beautiful, it was sunny and around 70. Both courses were definitely on the soggy side, but I had my Seal Skin waterproof socks on, and being able to play disc golf in January in shorts and a t-shirt, nothing was gonna bother this Pennsylvania boy!

I started off with Tyrrell Park, which plays next to a ball golf course. I always like when disc golf courses play next our ball golf cousins, I feel it gives our sport good exposure. The Tyrrell Park disc golf course has a really challenging layout that reminds me a lot of the two courses at Tom Bass Park. In some ways, it’s even better! The course is a nice mix of long par threes, pro par fours, a true par five, and few ‘tweener’ holes, or as I like to call them, “Texas-sized” par threes. The first challenge comes on the second hole, which features a devilishly evil green with a semi-circle of OB surrounding the green. I was elated to make a long putt for deuce from inside the trees short of the basket. Hole four requires a long carry over a huge drainage ditch/canal. I really enjoyed the next set of holes in the wooded section of the park – they are long, tough holes that don’t yield any gimme deuces. The grass is short on most of these holes and backhand rollers work well. The par five is spectacular; after driving through scattered trees, it opens up into a clearing and then down to the polehole. My second shot made the picnic table at the end of the clearing and if I had a better upshot or made my 20-footer I could have scored a birdie four. An eagle three on this hole would be outrageous; it would take a monster roller or a very lucky air shot to make the clearing, and a very long second shot to the basket. Or I guess someone could bomb a “fairway ace” third shot in.

After the par five, I was hoping for a break, but at 500 feet, hole eleven is one of those Texas-sized par threes I was talking about. Has anyone ever birdied this hole? After emerging from the woods, the last holes play in a more open area but aren’t particularly easy, especially the par four thirteenth, fifteenth, and eighteenth holes, which finishes over the ditch/water hazard. I was lucky to score a few deuces, avoid bogeys, and make pars to shot a round of 60, which I was very happy with. This is a pro caliber course that will challenge every aspect of your golf game, and I highly recommend that anyone considering making the drive from Houston do so to play this course.

As much as I liked the Tyrrell Park course, I had a few nitpicks, mostly about safety concerns with the course. Hole two has golfers throwing out over the entrance road to the park. Holes fifteen and sixteen also throw directly over park roads, and holes thirteen and fourteen play very close to athletic fields and other park facilities. I’ve seen enough recreational golfers play to know that their shots don’t always go where they intend to, and they also don’t always look for cars or wait for them to pass. Also, as the course grows in popularity and the local club gets stronger, I’m hoping that funds will be raised to replace the rusty baskets and chains. While the course map I downloaded from the website was quite helpful in finding the tees, most of the poleholes are unlabeled and it can be difficult to determine the correct polehole to throw at.

Next I headed down to the Pleasure Island course in Port Arthur. I had seen a lot of photos and an ace video on the internet of this course and was excited to play it. To be honest, I wish I played this course first because after Tyrrell Park, it was kind of a letdown. 18 holes are crowded into a very small space between a road and a wetlands area. While there are no crossing fairways, many of the holes play very close to one another, and with many of the tee signs and polehole numbers faded or missing, finding your way around the course is quite confusing. I did like that this course features some rolling hills and elevation changes (unusual for Texas) but most holes are short and almost entirely wide open. Where Tyrrell features long par three holes that don’t yield easy deuces, many of the holes at Pleasure Island are short enough and straightforward enough that I felt angry/silly if I didn’t score a birdie on them. I felt like I played better golf shooting a 60 at Tyrell than a 49 at Pleasure Island! One highlight was the ~590 foot fourteenth hole – it’s got an elevated tee and plays as a bonafide pro par four, and I was elated to sink a long putt to save three. Bug spray is a MUST when playing this course – the hilliness in the middle causes water to drain down, collect, and stagnate on the edge of the course. The mosquitoes aren’t too bad in January, but I would imagine they are outrageous at other times of year. One final note is on that ace run video –assuming that the park boundary cable behind the 18th polehole is OB (and the road behind it certainly must be) it seems quite foolish to go for an ace run on this hole, since if you miss the basket there’s a very good chance you’ll end up OB. While it was a heck of a throw, it seems like the better golf play is to lay up for the drop-in deuce.

fuzzy
01-11-2005, 03:33 PM
Thanks for the review Lung.

We spent mucho time planning the Tyrrell layout and did it the "right" way.(charts,graphs the whole nineyards)
As for the downfalls you listed(you knew i would comment on those). The feilds in the center area where it appears to play over and aournd a baseball and rugby feild is decieving to a non-local. I have been playing Tyrrell for 8 years now and I can only remember one time ever that I saw anyone actually using that backstop. As far as the rugby/football field goes, I have never seen anyone on that feild (except for Dgers on occasion throwing distance shots).

Onto the holes that play near or over park roads. Well, there is just not any traffic out there, besides the handful of trollers going 2 miles an hour looking for that special someone.

As far as the condition of equipment and a somewhat lack in course directional aid. Once we had the course installed (with permission from the city) the city decided to change its mind on us. The wanted us to keep the course withing the "circle". So all projects regarding baskets, direction signage(for the monster) benches etc. are put on hold until we know for sure the layout stays(Which looks good because the city has not contacted anyone in 2 months).

To answer you question about hole 11. No to my knowledge none has birded it. Hole 11 is one of 2 holes that I felt were on the cusp, hole 13 being the other. Since hole 13 is obviusly a more challenging hole I opted to make it an easy par 4 (602 feet)and have 11 just be a difficult par 3.

The goal at Tyrrell was to make it a par 60 course for a 950 rated golfer(hence the blue teesigns). Seeing as your rating is 943 and you said you shot well by shooting 60 helps me feel like I accomplished my goal in that area.

Course record currently stands at 53 shot by Keith Vest and then matched by Matt Schion(ace video boy)

Tomwin
01-11-2005, 03:49 PM
Thanks for your review. For us locals, it's real cool when people from outside our area come in and play, much less write such good critique of the course.

The thing you have to remember when playing the Pleasure Island course is that it was designed for play with a roc, stingray, cobra and scorpion. Now with the discs that fly faster/farther and more accurate it really makes that course much easier than it used to be. The wind and elevation changes there are something that in this area we are very fortunate to get to practice on though.

Once again thanks for your review.
-Tommy

AveSatani
01-12-2005, 07:48 AM
Excellent review!! We need a fresh perspective. I love the new layout at Tyrrell but I agree with lung that holes that go across park roads might need to be slightly altered to not interfere with traffic and walkers (although i realize that traffic is fairly light).

the_lung
01-12-2005, 12:27 PM
Well, there is just not any traffic out there, besides the handful of trollers going 2 miles an hour looking for that special someone.


LOL, we have park-trollers up in my area of the country, too! :lol:

Thanks for your replies everyone. I understand that the athletic fields at Tyrrell are never used and that the road on hole 16 and along hole 17 is probably seldom, if ever, used so it is likely not an issue. I worry the most about hole 2 since golfers throw hyzer shots out over the road. Southpaws especially so but at least they see the traffic coming. I would hate to see a car come up behind a righthander as he shanks one out onto the road. I doubt there would ever be anyone hurt or even any car damage but the driver could complain to the parks department and that is not the publicity you need.

I could see moving the tee across the road on hole 15. It's already 636 feet long and has a VERY difficult green. Though the ditch in front was dry, both it and the water left and long wreak havoc with your psyche. The tree next to the polehole also has low hanging branches and can become a formidable hazard.

I also understand about Pleasure Island and the state of disc technology when it was designed. I was comparing it (and maybe unfairly so) to Tyrrell which I thought was da bomb. It was late in the day and I was getting tired and just not enjoying scouting around for the right tee and polehole while fighting off the skeeters. If I lived year round near the course and got to know the layout, I would probably play there everyday!

-Jeff

fuzzy
01-12-2005, 12:39 PM
The tee for fifteen was origianlly designed on the other side of the street. The day we went to install it someone from the horse stalls told us that we could not put the tee there. We told them we had permission to but instead of arguing we just moved it longer and across the street. Personally I prefer the whole to tee acroos the street shorter and throwing over the ditch but nothin we could do about it.

chessguy
01-12-2005, 01:35 PM
My brand new car got smacked with a disc after I was in the parking lot for 5 mins. at Macgregor this past Saturday. Left a significant dent. Talked to the lady at the insurance office and she said that maybe that would be considered "collision". She must be out of her mind! I've only played 5 courses in my life and I love them all! There's just that one nasty teebox on #8 at Tyrrell. I'd love to see someone throw out over the marshy part to the left and clear it near the pin. Now that would be amazing!

Sportznut
01-12-2005, 05:08 PM
Jeff, I guess you didnt get to play at Klein Park then. You have to play there and give us a review also.

dg
01-12-2005, 06:56 PM
yea, love the reviews, thanks a lot for spending time on writing them


but yes, please go play klein too, it may be considered a pitch and putt to you, but i think the difficulty of the course fairways make a many of people cuss, lol

thanks again, and post here next time your in, so some of us can treat you to a game