Course Improvement

[Tomwin]

While I was talking to Jimmy at the Pleasure Island Commission today, I asked him if they would be willing to sell 9 or more of the Mach 2 baskets that they have collecting dust in the warehouse. He is going to check in on this and when I call him back on the 13th he is going to let me know one way or the other. If we get them I will get in contact with the lady at the Orange parks department and see about getting that course up and running with 9 holes and alternate tees.

[chessguy]

The Vidor guys that are playing regularly at Klein are wanting to get some baskets out at Claiborne and help out to get a decent course up and running out there. Most of you have probably played with them by now and man do they talk waaay more shit than we ever dreamed of. :D Anyway, I know that Tyrrell is probably our next priority but I'm sure it is most of our hopes that one day we'll have a good course with good baskets out at Claiborne someday soon. Glad you guys are playing DG with us.

[dg]

Claibourne park is a beautiful park with crappy baskets.

I would love to see 9 or 18 new baskets out there. I've talked with the Vidor guys before about it, and they seemed interested.

The deal is, we can't get baskets the same way we did for Klein, so its gonna cost probably $200 per basket.

Would be great to find some Vidor/Orange area business to sponsor the holes/course

The Vidor guys should know a couple businesses to hit up. I've done business with Acadiana Hardwoods and Trinity Doors before, but I think one of the Vidor guys said they knew some people that worked there.

We really need the Vidor guys to head this up, do the leg work for raising money due to their contacts, and the GT Club can work on finding baskets, coordinating with the County, and other logistics.

Some kick ass Vidor DG would be kick ass!

[el-jefe]

dude, if you can get baskets for 200 a pop, let me know. Thats sooooooo cheap. You might have been able to get thomas to give you a deal like that but you can't get it anywhere else. The cheapest Ive seen them is for buying 18 and you can get them around 300 bucks, not including shipping.

[dg]

go here

there is one for 180 something

and another for 250


http://discsunlimited.net/disc_golf_baskets.html

[sturmgeist]

In the meantime, how about putting in a tone pole course? As a temporary thing, a tone pole course would be a great option. 18 lengths of pipe and 18 or 36 little pieces of chain(wouldn't even need to be chain, just something to rattle the pole and make it ring, or at least not the rare hot dipped chain needed for baskets) would be a very cost effective option for setting up a course untill funds could be raised for proper baskets. Then once baskets were put in, there would be a set of tone poles ready to go for the next prospective course. I don't know about using them as a permanent fixture, but as a temporary thing it seems so common sense to me that I don't see why it hasn't been done yet, except that maybe nobody has given it any thought. And beyond the use at prospective courses, they'd be there when we needed them in an emergency pinch - I mean if we'd had 18 tone poles in reserve, we could have pulled Tyrrell's baskets without taking the course down.

Fuzzy said it's a bad idea :cry: cause nobody would play a course with poles, but hell, I would(and have on occasion) play object golf if I had to. If the hole is good, then the target shouldn't matter all that much. I'd play CLAIBORNE if there were any baskets out there, but they've all been destroyed or stolen.

[sturmgeist]

those lightning baskets are supposed to be overpriced portables, and turds to boot, if that's the ones you are talking about for 180. In that price range, I think the DGA M-14 or the Discatcher Sport would be better. they could be made permanent without too much working.

[fuzzy]

Seriously, why dont ya'll stop wasting your time talking about Claiborne and focus on Tyrrell?

[Jrodisc]

Dude, Claiborne is an awesome park. If the parks dept. will let us design however we want(within reason) there could be a badass course out there.I like Claiborne way better than Tyrrill. Afterall, I threw my first disc out there.

[chessguy]

Is there not 18 baskets for Tyrrell right now?

Anyway, There are currently 7 or 8 baskets that people have committed to helping purchase for Claiborne. Post up or let me or one of the Vidor fellows know if you can sponsor a basket. When time allows I'm gonna go out there and scope out the land and see about talking to someone about what land we could use, etc...

Oh, we'd like to get GOOD baskets for Claiborne, not pole holes or crappy cheap baskets.

[fuzzy]

There are 18 baskets for Tyrrell...now go fix them and put that course up.

Claiborne is not like Beaumont stuff, you dont just go ask for a course and then do what you please, they handle stuff professionally. Now like i said, worry about Tyrrell, that is actually something that can be done now, instead of adding some other crap to what needs to be done to avoid the task at hand. If you have that many peeps ready to purchase baskets then do it for Tyrrell.

[Tomwin]

Fuzzy is right about there being more to it than just going out to Claiborne and putting in a course. The Orange County parks department isn't run like Beaumont or Port Arthur.

In the past, I have been in contact with the Orange County parks department in and when they are ready to put in a course they will call for assistance. Until then, they aren't going to be doing anything to further improve the course or the condition of it. They are run with more of a beaurocracy and things have to be approved by the county commissioners and such.

They also have restrictions on alot of things that can and can't be done in their park which are strictly enforced by their own park rangers, who are basically county police officers. You also wouldn't be able to run any events like a tournament in the park because of a legal issue they had with someone getting hurt at a softball tournament. The only event they can have in the park now is the BBQ festival and the only reason they can do that is they have written permission from the county judge saying they can do so.

Beaumont doesn't really care what you do in their parks from what I have seen. As long of course as it doesn't cost them any money.

Port Arthur, more specifically Pleasure Island since it's really it's own entity, likes to be in control of what happens out at the course. However, they do allow the local disc golfers to fix up the course or in the case of the hurricane rita damage, redesign part of it so that it's playable.

When the time is right like I said, they will call. Until then I wouldn't bother doing anything there and just focus on getting Beaumont back in shape.

[chessguy]

I know nothing about fixing baskets. I don't remember anyone posting on the thread I started about exactly what we have basket-wise and exactly what needs to be done. I'd really like to know that information so I can see what I can do. It seems from what you say that we have 18 baskets and that they just need some work. I appreciate the information about Claiborne and how you think things work there. That is exactly what one needs to know before going forth with anything. Just the same, I think waiting for a phone call will never happen. I certainly don't think it would hurt to go try to talk with someone about the possibilities out there; I mean after all it has been a long time since that was looked into, right. Rest assured that my personal main focus is to get Tyrrell back up and running. I just need to know specifically what I can do to help. Always willing to help financially. Meanwhile, if I speak with anyone from Parks/Rec. about a disc golf course at Claiborne, I'll certainly let everyone know what's up. Keeps things positive, meanwhile.

[fuzzy]

" Just the same, I think waiting for a phone call will never happen. I certainly don't think it would hurt to go try to talk with someone about the possibilities out there; I mean after all it has been a long time since that was looked into, right."

The phone call will happen.

And wrong.

[chessguy]

Just the same, I'll probably be looking into it especially now that we have people wanting to help purchase baskets, etc... No one ever accomplished anything by sitting on their ass waiting for stuff to happen; we know that all too well here in the GT.

[fuzzy]

Tomwin- "When the time is right like I said, they will call. Until then I wouldn't bother doing anything there and just focus on getting Beaumont back in shape."

What about that comment tells you that you should pursue anything at Claiborne?

[chessguy]

I guess I feel like wasting my friggin' time!!! I mean damn, wouldn't that please YOU (pl.) for me to pursue something that is a complete waste of time!!! Trust me, I have enough on my plate now to put too much effort into anything at all. I mean there are baskets there now; what does that tell you??? I realize that the land available may be limited but does anyone know EXACTLY within what area we are to stay??? Would we not be able to replace those baskets and space things out a bit; maybe a 9 holer to start and peak interest and get noticed?

[sturmgeist]

I think the point here is that Claiborne is under a jurisdiction that handles things very differently from Beaumont and Jefferson County, and on top of that, it's a STATE Park, and you just DO NOT go messing around on state park grounds unless you are looking for trouble, benevolent that your motives may be. Claiborne is a beautiful park, and it would be great to see a disc golf course there, but if you think about it from the other side, Claiborne is a beautiful, CLEAN park, full of children every time I've EVER been out there, and the officials there might not even WANT DGers coming out there, because by and large we have a way of trashing parks that makes me ashamed to count myself among the ranks sometimes. And littering is just the tip of our iceberg of issues.

So if a course is to happen out there, it sounds like the most a DGer could hope for to be included in the process is as a petitioner and/or advisor.

"I realize that the land available may be limited but does anyone know EXACTLY within what area we are to stay??? Would we not be able to replace those baskets and space things out a bit; maybe a 9 holer to start and peak interest and get noticed?"

You go to digging around and working like that in a state park and you'll GET noticed, but not in the way you want. You can't do ANYTHING out there. All you can do is try and gain an audience with the park manager, and try and sell the idea to them, which is why I suggested the tone pole idea, because it would be much easier to sell someone on the idea of putting in a course for a couple of hundred dollars than a couple of thousand and, once it's in, then replacing the poles with proper baskets would be a much less daunting task. A tone pole course would allow the authorities there to test the waters, and proceed as they see fit.

But Fuzzy and Tommy are right. In the end this is just distraction from the issue at hand, which right now is getting Tyrrell up and running, which I think ought to be able to be done within the year at least. Nobody can tell you what to dedicate your time and effort towards... you are free to pursue whatever wild geese you hear calling. But what effort have you put toward improving what we already have so far? A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[Tomwin]

I have talked to the orange county parks department. When they are ready to put a course in, they will call. It would be counter productive for anyone else to attempt to contact them and talk about disc golf.

As recently as about 5 months ago I had contact with them and nothing has changed from the other times that I have talked to them. They are interested in putting a better disc golf course out there, but like I said, when the time is right they will call. Until then focus on getting two courses back up and running in Beaumont.

Just because I haven't played in about a year, doesn't mean I still don't do things behind the scenes that help disc golf out in our area. Take this site for example and take me on my word about Claiborne.

[sturmgeist]

Well, simply put then. No more need for further discussion. If you want a course out there just be patient and don't push them or you'll hurt the chances. In the meantime, let's move discussion over to the Tyrrell park thread.

[el-jefe]

go out and play claibourne and scout some new lines etc... anyone can go out there and make an objects course(i'd rather throw at trees than those baskets), use plastic tape to mark the trees. I think the more we recreationally play out there the faster things might happen. when 20 dgers show up and play regularly, that makes a difference. and just think, an objects course can be adjusted very easily and at any time. use different colored tape to make different pin locations for each hole. Have Fun!

[dg]

i think if anyone wants to do something for Claibourne, or get things started for Claibourne...

best thing to do is to secure donations for baskets.

When the department that controls Claibourne park is ready to do something, wouldn't hurt to know how much money we have secured (not necessarily in hand, but promissed).

[fuzzy]

I think the best thing people can do is nothing at all. Take that energy and go to Tyrrell, or take that energy and get donations for Tyrrell. Cause if you guys think the refurbished baskets are all gonna be good baskets you are sadly mistaken. There are a bunch of baskets that will get refurbished but need to be replaced asap.

So get off the damn Claiborne kick and do something that you can do RIGHT NOW and work on Tyrrell. Talking about Claiborne is just a convenient distraction to keep people from working, talking, redesigning Tyrrell.

[dg]

I think the best thing people can do is nothing at all. Take that energy and go to Tyrrell, or take that energy and get donations for Tyrrell.

Well, if the guys from Vidor know some area businesses that will donate for baskets, they probably will donate for baskets in Vidor, not Tyrrel. I also think that the energy you have put into this thread is as much energy as anyone else has put into the Claibourne idea (excluding the whinfreys efforts). Not a lot of energy spent typing, and thats all thats been done (that I know of).

So get off the damn Claiborne kick and do something that you can do RIGHT NOW and work on Tyrrell. Talking about Claiborne is just a convenient distraction to keep people from working, talking, redesigning Tyrrell.

Well, then you (and I) are currently are keeping people from working, talking, and redesigning Tyrrel.

For every post on this thread, an Angel at Tyrrel park dies. LMAO

[fuzzy]

whats funny is that I am not wasting time.....this time i am taking to tell you hard headed fuckers to listen is time i would have been spending watching TV.....either way I get entertained so no time loss for me. Not like I am going to do something at Tyrrell anyway.

[chessguy]

If only I knew what I could do to help out getting Tyrrell up and running besides going to Jeff's shop to do work on baskets??????????????????????????????????

Get your panties out of their wads, dweebs. :shock:

[sturmgeist]

Not JUST Tyrrell - Klein still needs work too, and there's plenty you can do out there that doesn't involve going to Jeff's shop to work on baskets :? You complain about the teepads 100x per round, go work on those, or drag away some of those damn branches you drug out INTO the fairways. :-x Even if there WAS something going on at Claiborne, which there isn't, what would you do? What can we think of for Neal to do at Tyrrell(or any course for that matter) that doesn't involve ANY physical labor whatsoever? Portable tee sign? Hold straight the couple of loose baskets while we drive at them? Go undercover at Tyrrell as the very first member of the GTDGA Vice Squad?

[iflingpu@u2]

just me but there is a lot of typin ,gripin,and well thats it .Been a while gals but i had2 check on wats yall pissie bout.

[dg]

glad to have you back puflinger

now you can take a vacation sturm

[Sportznut]

I would like to put my input into this...

Neal.. dont go hounding the parks director in orange please. She is already on the situation and has her hands tied. She knows what we want and is willing to help when she is able. More inquiries on a subject that she at the moment has no control over , is not a good thing. Rest asssured, even tho you do not see us out throwing on the course, we are still working behind the scene to help out DG in the area.

I would have to agree with the rest, Focus on Tyrrell...

[chessguy]

I would like to put my input into this...

Neal.. dont go hounding the parks director in orange please. She is already on the situation and has her hands tied. She knows what we want and is willing to help when she is able. More inquiries on a subject that she at the moment has no control over , is not a good thing. Rest asssured, even tho you do not see us out throwing on the course, we are still working behind the scene to help out DG in the area.

I would have to agree with the rest, Focus on Tyrrell...

That's what I needed to hear, thanks. I won't be speaking to anyone. Thanks for all you've done and continue to do. Definately don't want to mess anything up.

[chessguy]

Not JUST Tyrrell - Klein still needs work too, and there's plenty you can do out there that doesn't involve going to Jeff's shop to work on baskets :? You complain about the teepads 100x per round, go work on those, or drag away some of those damn branches you drug out INTO the fairways. :-x Even if there WAS something going on at Claiborne, which there isn't, what would you do? What can we think of for Neal to do at Tyrrell(or any course for that matter) that doesn't involve ANY physical labor whatsoever? Portable tee sign? Hold straight the couple of loose baskets while we drive at them? Go undercover at Tyrrell as the very first member of the GTDGA Vice Squad?

Thing is Will, is that I'm gonna play and it's hard to have a career, a family, play dg, and get work done on the courses. As a tournament player it's important that I keep my skills sharp. :wink: I don't mind doing physical labor but I'm just gonna do it when I feel like it or when there's a workday I can make. Plain and simple. I'm a lazy mo-fo, c'est certain! Meanwhile your comments are amusing as always.

[el-jefe]

I think that whoever plays and is from vidor, put on a weekly tag mini at claiborne that way we can get some activity out there and if there are players out there regularly, maybe we can get disc golf more of a priority out there. The objects course idea is for when you have played the baskets too many times :shock:

Oh Neal the tourney player, better keep practicing to keep those skills sharp you definately need the practice. Better be lucky you wern't at the island this weekend. Id have taken you for all you got.

[Sportznut]

Claibourne has regulars. The Parks people know they are there and that more would be willing to come for an improved course. Like Tommy said, Her hands are tied by County Government at the moment. Dealing with a county is 100% diffeent then dealing with a city. If you have seen any of the news reports in the past few weeks, there have been reports about Orange county deputies are the lowest paid law enforcement officers in the area, That includes surrounding counties and CITIES! If county goverment is holding the purse strings too tight to give deputies a raise, then see what the parks department has to go through. That being said, This is not a dead issue, it just has to take alittle more time... More info to follow.. stay tuned.

By the way, thanks neal.

[chessguy]

Oh Neal the tourney player, better keep practicing to keep those skills sharp you definately need the practice. Better be lucky you wern't at the island this weekend. Id have taken you for all you got.

I'm so glad that is the last post on here I'll ever read of yours, Jeff. No, Jeff. You were lucky cause at this point I'm a better player than you but that's neither here nor there because I'll never play on the same card as you in my life unless we get put on the same card in a tournament. You were obviously bullied as a child. Peace be with you.

[fuzzy]

Dang Jeff, you are gonna have to give us your secret :mrgreen:

[chessguy]

Dang Jeff, you are gonna have to give us your secret :mrgreen:

Having some perspiration issues, Fuzzy??? Isn't 'Secret' for women!?!

(was the best I could come up with)

-8 TWICE!!! :razz: You? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

I hear the Carrollton courses are pretty easy? Anyone ever played 'em?

Administrators can't be put on Ignore; that sucks!!!

[sturmgeist]

Can't ignore the Fuzz, that holds true wether we're talking about police or Scotty, lol. I know you're gonna play Neal, I'm not asking you to NOT play, but shit, the otehr day you played, what was it, FOUR rounds? If you can play four rounds in a day you can take 30 minutes to an hour to do a little community service. Set an example for the children you work with! lol I know there are plenty of other lazy mo-fos out there that haven't done anything to help with the course(s), but you're about the only one who frequents the board, so sorry for singling you out, lol!

I'm not being arrogant. It's just that after being barked at by so many ill-bred dogs, every now and then I take a kick at one for the dog's own good.

Anyway, I got my first ace on a day when I was carrying a trashbag tied to my bag, picking up litter, and I've always shot my best rounds after doing some good deed for the park. Kenny beat the crap out of us Int players at league the week that he came out and worked on the tee pads beforehand... so maybe if you get out there and do some good for the park it will help sharpen your game? I mean, nothing else is working eh? So you should be willing to try anything.

As for my comments being amusing, that's a given, naturalisch! If John stays around to post a little more, maybe I'll quieten down.

But until that happens, hear my words and mark them well: Having shown no mercy, I have expected none in return. Living by the sword ensures one a most spectacular death. So if we must cross swords, one thing is certain... omae wa mou shinde iru.
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[el-jefe]

I always like good quotes. way to go sturm. Im glad you perspective has come around to something I can agree with kneel. That is not playing together. But as for the better player, I don't think so.

[Sportznut]

omae wa mou shinde iru.

Ok, I think it lost something in translation...... What i found is " OH NO I wet myself"

[sturmgeist]

So desu ka? Ano... Oi! CHOTTO MATTE-YO! Uso! Dame! DAME DAME DAME! Ja nai, oji-san! English de sore wa "You're already dead" desu-yo! Hontou ni... Omae wa no baka yaro. Ahou...

[dg]

if your gonna live in america, why dont ya learn to speak american?????

[sturmgeist]

That brings to mind one of my favourite movie lines:

Scagnetti: I was born and spent the first part of my life in Texas.
Warden: That's funny, you don't have the accent.
Scagnetti: I don't wanna talk like those assholes.
Warden: My mother was from Texas!
Scagnetti: I meant those other assholes.

- Natural Born Killers

[bandanaman70]

I think we need to get Tyrrell park up an running!! Lets schedule a work day and do it!!

[chessguy]

:lol:

[el-jefe]

Its gonna take a lot more than scheduling a work day to get tyrrell back up and running. Its also pointless to put the baskets back out there in the shape they are in. Might as well be an object course.