The case of the mistaken identity - YOU make the call!

[sturmgeist]

Hypothetical situation: You have finished a round of DG and talked a fellow golfer into walking down to a hole and taking some practice sidearm shots. You both alternate shots, throwing one after the other. Your fellow golfer throws a yellow Tee Rex which lands in the ditch near the street, maybe a 300 foot(being generous). This disc was all gussied up with custom artwork, a radioactive symbol sharpied on the top. You throw next, and turn over a similar disc, a Tee Rex(one of SEVERAL you have with you), only you throw it much, MUCH further than the other guy, and slam into the back panel of a passing oldsmobile.

They drive on a couple hundred feet and make a U-Turn.

You ask your fellow golfer, very seriously, if you should run. He replies, "No, it was an accident, it wasn't your fault, they were driving alongside a disc golf course, shit happens. Just let them know you're sorry and be nice. If worst comes to worst, I have my knife on me."

They pull up alongside the ditch, not near the teepads, where you are standing, but near where the discs you've been throwing have landed. You yell out "Sorry. Are ya'll ok?" A rather froggish(or toadly, maybe toadly is a better word) woman squeezes out of the passenger seat, looks at the two of you, searches the grass in the area, and picks up a disc. Immediately you notice that it isn't YOUR disc, that you hit the car with, but rather, the other golfer's disc. Same model, similar colour, but instantly recognizable from the custom artwork on the flight plate. You say "Oh shit" and giggle, while the other golfer dashes forward, yelling "Hey! That's MINE! That's not even the disc that hit you! expletive deleted, expletive deleted, expletive deleted" as they get back in the car and take off.

At this point, what do you do? This person you were playing with goes out of his way to retrieve other people's discs from all sorts of hairy situations, ditch, woods, etc. and can often be seen GIVING away his own discs in cases where he knows they would be appreciated and used well. On top of it all, the disc that was mistakenly stolen, despite this person talking smack on it the night before for it's lack of durability, was used on every hole that the person birdied that day.

Do you:

A) Laugh about the whole situation and remark to him, rather callously, that you are glad it wasn't your disc they took.

B) Apologize sincerely for the situation, regardless of the humour involved.

C) Offer him a replacement - like for like - of the same model, which you have multiples of, IN HAND

D) Offer him a disc you found, which HE has 8 of already, because you found it and you feel this way you aren't out any money

E) Offer him something he doesn't have, but MAY be able to get some use out of.

F) combination B and C

G) combination A, D and E

Bonus points for guessing the parties involved here :shock:

[sturmgeist]

maybe someone with a PDGA membership could post this situation to the DISCussion board to get the opinion of a larger group of golfers?

[sturmgeist]

I forgot to list what I personally would have done, which is:

H) Offer him anything in your bag or that you have with you, barring CE, first runs, proline or other collector's items

[fuzzy]

i dunno, maybe its just me, or maybe becasue i am tired or maybe my reading comprehension is as bad as i always thought it was but for the life of me after reading that 4 times i cannot help but get confused and not know what actually happened....lmao

Anyway, if someone threw MY disc and hit a car with it and they stopped and took it then I wouldnt give a crap personally. If I threw someone elses disc and a car picked it up then I would do my best to replace it somehow. (in case i am misunderstanding, if we both threw and the other person hit the car but the car stopped and took my disc then i wouldnt give a crap...but vice versa i would try my best to replace theirs)

(btw, when i say i wouldnt give a crap i mean after the dust settled...i would be hella pissed at the car when it happened though and likely would have taken a disc i didnt really care about and smack them myself...lol)

[fuzzy]

oh and, if option A actually happened then i think i would have taken a disc out of their bag and thrown it as deep in the woods across major as i could...then of coursed laughed :evil: :D

[sturmgeist]

he hit the car with his disc, and they stopped and took MINE which was nearly a 100 feet back.

[fuzzy]

well i can only assume Neal and the likely thing that happened from knowing him is that he chose option A or option G since he is a dick like that....lol

[sturmgeist]

And I really honestly didn't care about the disc itself, BUT for the artwork that I'd put on it the night before. It was the fact that they took MY disc, and that the situation amused him as much as it did that pissed me off. I figured the amusement he got out of it ought to have been worth ONE replacement proper out of the stack of them that he had, but I guess not. My TeeRex is gone, nobody has returned my Spirit(the only reason I threw the damn TeeRex in the first place was because it was sorta similar, albeit vastly inferior, to the Spirit) so I'm down to that god damn Speed demon which I can make do the same thing if I break my arm and blister my fingertips muscling it out there.

In all honesty, I don't blame anyone but the bitch who stole my disc, and I'm really just giving Neal a hard time about it. And I will continue to give him a hard time, for quite a while, and rightly so. He gave me a Gateway Saber after offering me an old mold beast or valkyrie, and I have little doubt in my mind that the Saber is the better disc(compared to the Tee Rex)

But I'm still gonna give him a hard time about it... :twisted:

And really, I have to give some of the credit to myself for being stupid enough to play 3 rounds AND then go practice drives.

::edit::

I'm not gonna give him a hard time about it anymore. I'm not gonna waste any more time at all with him.

[fuzzy]

HEY !!!! you edited in every pargraph after that first sentence in your last post.....i should get my bonus points for getting the players correct DAMMIT!!!! :lol: :lol:

[sturmgeist]

yeah yeah, you get the points! points for correct answer and points for the bonus question

There... massive edits for continuity

[sturmgeist]

To his credit, I know Neal thought for SURE that the Beast would make me happy, since I always rave about the old ones, but he didn't know that I have 8 of them stockpiled already, so I don't have any need, probably ever, for another one. He came up off the Sabre though, so he done right by me ;) I could always pop down to the store to pick up another TeeWrecks, but you can't get Gateway round here.

But he was mean when he said he was glad they got the wrong one, so there will be lots of ribbing from me about it, probably for a long while. It really was pretty funny... just not at the time. :lol:

::edit::

Nevermind, I realize now he was just being a prick cause that's what he does.

[iflingpu@u2]

i dont vote but kneels wrong once agian.

[sturmgeist]

Hmph, you two who voted A, remind me never to play with you guys :(

[fuzzy]

they would both replace the disc...after laughing of course :mrgreen:

[sturmgeist]

lol, well, in that case. Hell, I'd expect YOU to laugh to, and probably point! Something along the lines of "Ha HA :: point:: they took your shit!"

[el-jefe]

I would have said, theres my bag, pick what you want. (with a few exceptions) and if that wasn't good enough, Id have given you 20 bucks to replace that disc with what ever you want.

[iflingpu@u2]

no one likes playing with tiddie babies,except for ,well you know

[iflingpu@u2]

lexies a little upset you would refer to her as a toadly bitch, she prefers froggishly female dog.and by the way why didnt you kick his bag over and pee in it,while he was watching, that would have been equally as entertaining as this thread. :idea: [IMG][COLOR=DarkOrange][SIZE=7][FONT=Century Gothic]

[el-jefe]

why were you guys practicing on 15 right by major? sounds a little irresponsible. There is a big field over on 5 that won't endanger anyone or any car. Use your freakin head guys, If it gets reported to the city, we may not be able to play anywhere near any road! I am guilty of throwing onto the road during a round, but you guys were not playing a round and 15 is quite a walk from either parking lot. Can I ask why you were over there practicing?

[fuzzy]

like you dont know :roll: :lol:

[sturmgeist]

Because, after playing 3 rounds, I was not in the best frame of mind to see how irresponsible and stupid it really WAS. Nobody to blame but myself for that much.

And you are really trying to get me in trouble with Lexie here lately! QUIT THAT! :smile:

[chessguy]

Did you guys hear about the 2 girls who got in a serious accident and one of the girls died and one was in serious condition and virtually unrecognizable in the hospital. A funeral was held for the one that was killed and the family of the girl that was clinging to life waited by her bedsize during her recovery. As it turns out, the one that was killed was they one that everyone thought was still alive. Now that's a strange turn of events there! The joy on the one hand at the family who realized it wasn't their child who was killed and the horror of the other family who learned that it was in fact their child who perished in the accident.

Hey, Will. Get over it! Or be a baby and hold a grudge for something that was completely out of my hands!!! I am in fact glad to still have my teerex and sorry about your disc. That's it! And yes, it was funny as shit to see you running after the car yelling "that's not the disc that hit your car"! SHIT HAPPENS!!! I think I handled the situation well at the time but it was a head shaker for sure.

[fuzzy]

you are wrong on many levels

[chessguy]

Just shut up and come get your beating! You didn't even say thanks for getting your disc back to you.

[sturmgeist]

I don't know what you're saying, but you might want to get your foot out of your mouth, cause you don't want fungus around the gumline, and I hear fast actin tinactin ain't too tasty.

[sturmgeist]

lmao, Neal VOTED... bit redundant, that. :roll:

I got my Spirit back today, and my lost I-Dyed Beast, AND Mindy replaced my TeeRex with a prototype stamped one(ORANGE no less!) that Tim threw once and didn't want. She tried to just give it to me, but I thought Tim might like that beautiful dyed beast that I listed in the trade section, and I was right. And I payed Neal for the Sabre he gave me, so in the end, his little accident really didn't cost HIM anything after all. Add in one of my best rounds and I got one of the most fun days of disc golf I've ever had. Thanks everybody! ;-)

[sturmgeist]

Couldn't resist - I looked at the Cheesy post above and man...

That you could relate your getting my disc stolen to the heartache experienced by those families... As Stan Lee would say: 'Nuff said. :shock:

All this and somehow I was still giving you more credit than you deserved.

[chessguy]

Moderator: DO NOT POST PRIVATE MESSAGES TO A PUBLIC FORUM WITHOUT THE PERMISSION OF THE AUTHOR

Will, I can't offer you a disc that is not mine. Jarred has 2 light Teerexes. Both mine are 1st run stamps and well...(you said you wouldn't accept anything yet you immediately snatched up a disc...which is it???) Not only did I offer you a disc immediately but when we got back I opened my trunk and said you could look through my discs and see if you find something you like that yes I wouldn't mind getting rid of then you could get something. I did not mock you or say to you "man, I sure am glad they didn't take my disc". I acted very appropriately and you know it. You are acting childishly. It is not fair of you to be mad at me for not saying or doing what YOU feel I should've said or done. People are different. I am a very generous person and most people know this. I feel that you owe me an apology for YOUR behavior. And besides, your disc was nicked! You will remember this as long as you live and I hope that the lesson that you get from it is that crap happens. It was not my fault that they took your disc, Will. I'm very sorry about your loss and I've tried to make it right but you at one point accept my offer and then the next day I'm a bad guy and you question my actions. Hey, I had a shirt on yesterday that said this, "There's no excuse for my actions." My actions in this incident were noble. Please reread your PM unless your evil twin who thinks clearly wrote it. Peace, Will. I bear no grudge. Ich grolle nicht.

[sturmgeist]

You most certainly DID tell me, just moments after we began walking over to pick up our drives, WHILE GIGGLING "Will, I know you don't want to hear this, but you know what I'm about to say right?" "No Neal, what?" then "I SURE am glad they didn't take MY disc." You told Fuzzy the same f'ing thing the next day, adding "**** that dude, I wasn't gonna give him something WORTH something."

I told you, all I was looking for was for the GESTURE of friendship, for you to offer to replace like with like. You ought to have ofered to replace my disc with the disc that YOU hit the damn car with. And I WOULDN'T have accepted(especially not one of Jarred's discs), but it would have made my day had you offered. It wasn't untill after you refused to do such that my greed took over and I decided "Yeah, I'll take one of his damn discs" For which I felt sorry for the minute I got home.

But you CONTINUED to handle it baddly Neal, you kept on, you DID mock the situation, and a standup guy wouldn't have been glad that it was the wrong disc they stole. But you're not a standup guy, and GENEROUS? I've never seen you GIVE anyone anything. And the "Jarred's Disc" thing doesn't float either, it's never stopped you from trying to SELL me one of his discs - a Monster here, a Gator there, etc. In the Prophet on the subject of giving:

There are those who give little of the much which they have - and they give it for recognition and their hidden desire makes their gifts unwholesome.

And there are those who have little and give it all.

These are the believers in life and the bounty of life, and their coffer is never empty.

There are those who give with joy, and that joy is their reward.

And there are those who give with pain, and that pain is their baptism.

And there are those who give and know not pain in giving, nor do they seek joy, nor give with mindfulness of virtue;

They give as in yonder valley the myrtle breathes its fragrance into space.

Through the hands of such as these God speaks, and from behind their eyes He smiles upon the earth.

http://www.columbia.edu/~gm84/gibran5.html

It shouldn't surprise me that you refer to yourself as generous, becuase you also refer to yourself as courteous, and you are neither. You have no tact, and you have no concept of honour, and little understanding of charity or friendship. I owe you an apology? No, the only thing I owed you was the money for the Sabre, which I payed, full retail for. I'd prefer it if you didn't so much as look my way for a time Neal, and I'll gladly pay you the same courtesy. I knew very well the lesson that "shit happens" Neal, maybe you'll learn a lesson here, that often, the quietest among us are the slowest to anger, and their wrath the hardest to contain. If you feel so strongly about an apology, you're welcome to try and force one out of me. That's about your best hope, however small it may be.

I'm sorry for bringing this here Tommy, and I don't know how to delete this thread :-(

::edit::
The Prophet was written by Kahlil Gibran

[fuzzy]

That is quite possibly the best post I have seen on a message board. There is no comeback for that Neal, but it should, at minimum, provide some nice comic releif when you make an attempt at it.

[sturmgeist]

I'm sorry, I was wrong about one thing. Neal gave me an old beat up mini once.

[chessguy]

Good old, Will. You'll find that holding grudges is pretty miserable. I thought we parted ways that day on a good note. We were friends throwing some discs and whatever little jab I may have sent your way was in a spirit of "friendship ribbing". Why do you have to be so darn sensitive!? I'm a bit confused as to why you have flip flopped from your 1st PM. Yes, when I spoke with people about it, I'm sure that I said "I was glad it wasn't my disc". I guess that makes me a prick. Hello!!! Is that news to anyone. bwahhhh It seems to me that you are mad at what you've heard that I've said about the situation to other people more than what actually went down at the course. I wish you'd have come to me and expressed any further concern over such a trivial matter. You of all people should not question my generosity ye who have been carrying around my Illusion. You did hear that our agreement that you carry it was $ .25 a day, right? lmao That shows me how much value you place on my friendship. I mean Will, you've let something very silly end our friendship. You in fact are acting quite shallow and I'm sure you'll have a "witty" comeback as usual. Anyway, I apologize for anything I've done to hurt you or rub you the wrong way. I'll be fine either way, Will. Peace

[sturmgeist]

And about the posting private messages thing, I dunno which one you were posting, but you got my full permission to do so Neal. In fact, I'll save you the trouble. I'll post them, along with my final thoughts on this business, and that will be that, the thread can be closed or deleted or whatever Fuzzy, Tommy or whoever else is in charge of that stuff feels should be done with it.


initial message:
Chinchy bastich!

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Just kidding man. I'm sorry about how I acted after the incident. I wasn't mad at you really, and the only Tee Rex I wanted was the one they took. I didn't even like the disc till it was gone. You didn't have to give up ANYTHING, but you did, and it was a good disc at that. I know you were sure that the Beast would be right up my alley, and if I didn't have a big stack of them, it really would have been - I was just pissed and was being unreasonable. If it had been the other way around, I would have upped anything in my bag besides my CE Firebird, but that's just me, and I'm really not as practical as you.

But you came through, really, you didn't have to give me anything, and you gave me a really good disc that should drop my score a few strokes when I get the hang of it - and I don't want you to think that my ribbing you means otherwise. But I'm still gonna rib you about it, I mean, like you said, that was definitely the strangest turn of events I've ever seen on the course, even stranger than rolling my gazelle on 1 all the way into the parking lot.

And honestly, I'm NOT mad that you wouldn't give up one of your hundreds of Tee Rexes cause I really was ONLY throwing it cause I lost my Spirit. I just need to find something else to hold that long flat hyzer like those will. I can get my speed demon to do it, but MAN I got to throw it SOOOO hard. I don't want to buy another T-Rex, I want my dang spirit! Maybe I should climb that old knotty tree on 4 and see if I can spot it... maybe my Starfire Xs will do the trick. Or maybe I just have to break out the dang monsters again.

I wasn't mad, but I was definitely hurt. And despite being hurt, because I STILL, for some reason, thought you were my friend, I didn't want you to be mad at me. THAT was what was unreasonable, I was the one who got his disc stolen, I was the one with the grievance, but it's the type of person that I am to worry about YOU being mad at me in such a situation. I'm too accomodating of a person sometimes, and I AM sensitive, but you'll find, one way or another, I ain't no punk!I really DID feel bad for being pissed off. It wasn't untill the next day, the things you said to me about my posting, the obligatory, snotty "You're SUCH a good friend Will, thanks a LOT. Anything to stir up the anthill hunh?" that I realized - I had every right to be pissed, and then some. It's your hanging that "SUCH a good friend" over my head, guilt tripping me any time I said something you didn't like, or confronted you with your own shitty actions that made me realize how one sided our friendship really was. Leave it to you to somehow put spin on the situation to make it look like YOU were the one being wronged. I'd never have treated you the way you did me Neal, I'd never treat anyone that baddly. I dug a lost disc out of the ditch for a dude I caught throwing one of MINE once, that's what kind of person I am - that's how much I hold grudges. I'm not holding a grudge Neal, you're not worth the negative energy from that. I'm just snakebit, and would rather not have anything more to do with you. But go ahead and believe that I turned on you cause Fuzzy and everyone else told me too, if it will make you feel better. They didn't Neal, it wasn't what THEY said, it was what YOU said, the way YOU acted that ended our one sided friendship. And it was after that that I sent this one:


::edited for F bombs::

Scratch that...

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Neal, I hope you have the patience to read through this, because I promise you it will be worth it at the end.

So... "F*** that" hunh? "Not gonna give me anything WORTH something" hunh? You know what man, I've had it with you, I take back everything I said. You didn't do right by me. All you'd have had to do, to do right by me would have been to sincerely apologize about the situation, and at least OFFER me one of your many damned Teerexes, which I would have thanked you for, and graciously declined, on the grounds that, truthfully, I don't LIKE the damn things. Shitty plastic, shitty mold, feels weird in the hand, they just happen to fly ok.

But NO. YOU, who don't even give a **** enough to write your god damn NAME on half your plastic, weren't gonna give me something WORTH anything? You're a true Christian buddy, a true piece of work, charitable and loyal and all that . And you have the ****ing NERVE to hang that "You're a REAL friend" bullshit over my head to try and put a guilt trip on me, like YOU'RE the one who was wronged somehow. I got some ****ing news for you buddy, I am not the one who has trouble being a friend to someone. You had one and he's gone. You don't want a friend anyway, you want a dumb**** dog who's loyal to you no matter what you do. I really WAS feeling bad for the way I reacted, but you know what, **** THAT. Every damn person who heard the story told me I should have taken one of your discs and thrown it across Major Dr into the woods and/or kicked your ass for the way you acted. And while I would NEVER do any such thing, I can see where it would have been justified. I never would have expected it from some of them, but you pay attention and take notice of who's cold to you now, or outright ignoring you.

I didn't want one of your damn discs Neal, if you will remember back to when it happened, I said the right thing to do would have been to "offer" me one, not GIVE me one. All I wanted was for you to treat me like the friend you claimed I was, and OFFER to do the right thing. Fair weather friend is no friend at all. It wouldn't have cost you a damn thing to OFFER to do the right thing, because I wouldn't have accepted it. Because I WAS your friend.

I love you man, because God says we're to love one another. But he doesn't say anything about me having to like you, so I respectfully decline. So I thank you kindly for letting me borrow the Illusion, which you OUGHT to be throwing, and I will give it to bobo or someone else as intermediary to return to you. And I thank you kindly for the deals you have given me on discs, the ones that WEREN'T worth anything, including the Sabre, which I owe you 14 dollars(retail price) for, because I will not accept it as a gift. I told you it would be worth your while to read all the way through, cause now you know your actions didn't cost you anything, not monetarily. But they cost you a friend, cause this is the last you will hear from me, if I can help it. Find someone else stupid enough to guilt trip into being your loyal dog, there's plenty of us out there. You only THINK you've had some fallings out with Jeff and Fuzzy, but I promise you, neither of them has half the tenacity that I possess.

Maybe this will teach you something about honour and friendship Neal. Some lessons are harder to learn than others, but if I can teach you one, then it's been worth my trouble. I bet you really DO nut on your own chin.

I'll miss playing with Jarred.

Sincerely,
William Roan

And then I put you on ignore, but for some reason, I've lacked the conviction to stick to that decision. GLutton for punishment and all that. Maybe I do spend a bit too much time trying to be witty and all, but that's just for kicks, for amusement. It's not something I put any real stock in, cause there's always someone just a little quicker and wittier. What I put stock in, is being as REAL as I can be. If I was gonna turn on you on account of other peoples anecdotes, to which almost EVERYONE seems to have at least one, then it would have happened long ago Oji-san. I've heard a lot, but I don't let other people make my decisions for me, I like to learn things the hard way, on my own, and as usual, I have. I try my hardest to be good to people, to be real, and I can't handle being around people who don't make any attempt to do the same. And you're not real, Neal. My grandpa always said this to me when I'd leave his house: "Don't take any wooden nickels."

That's what you are Neal, mercenary, a f'ing wooden nickel. And I'm busy trying to dig splinters out of my fingers, makes it hard to type...

And that's the end of what I have to say. I'll probably read any response you have to it, but past that, you're on ignore. If only there was a button to push to obscure you from sight in the real world.

Again, Tommy, I apologize for ever bringing this to the messageboard in the first place, and if you need to put me on probationary status for misconduct and misuse of your board, then go ahead and do so, I completely understand. I won't post ANY more on the matter, period. Whoever wants the last word, is free to take it.

[CypressTrout]

Bueller???.........Bueller????..........Bueller??? ??

[dg]

about 2 months ago i said it was gonna be funny when will and neil went at it on the internet...

:o :-) :o :-)

[chessguy]

You da man, Will. You da man.

[el-jefe]

If anyone has the opportunity to swipe any of kneels disc to hold onto them for ransom or if you just want to do it and keeo it i think everyone will turn a blind eye! GOOD LUCK!
PS if anyone really does do something like this, Its all kneels fault. If he wern't at the course it wouldn't have happened.

[fuzzy]

neal post coming up......

[fuzzy]

guess he is putting alot of thought into it....should be comical... :lol:

[fuzzy]

changed his mind i guess...

[el-jefe]

There is an underground conspiracy to steal neals bag. more info as the plan unravels.....