Distances for Klein Park Holes

[YBW]

Anyone knows what the distances are for each hole at Klein Park, or know where I can find them. I found a map online and some ball park numbers from PDGA.com, but I was looking for exact distances. I am new to the course and was thinking of posting labels at each tee box (with hole #, distance, and map). I noticed some of the numbers are wearing off and stuff. Anyway, any info is appreciated.

[Sportznut]

We went out and mde the exact messurment when we first put it in.... Fuzzy ( scott Linthicum) i belive has those numbers... We were eventually going to put a better form of numbers out there. Just a $$ thing right now. Glad to see new people playing and on the message board..

[fuzzy]

Look under the photo gallery link to the left. Goto Klein park and Tommy posted the exact distances under the pictures of each hole. I reformatted my harddrive and dont have the file anymore so that is the only place to get them.


Side note....I will be going out to Klein today, I'll be there around 2pm.

[YBW]

Thanks for the info guys. If you are interested here are the numbers from the pictures. I was planning to make some labels for each post at the tee boxes. It would be helpful for new players. Do I need to check with anyone (park people) before I do that?

1-199
2-368
3-256
4-400
5-517
6-245
7-232
8-189
9-287
10-255
11-210
12-249
13-296
14-325
15-286
16-271
17-258
18-273

[Tomwin]

You dont have to check with the park people if you want to put labels on the posts. We originally were going to engrave them into the wood but none of us had a dremel tool or something like that whenever we cut the posts and installed them. We wanted to get the posts in the ground so we went ahead and put them down with the intentions of doing something later to mark the holes better.

Any help is welcome though.

[fuzzy]

We WILL be moving number 15 back about 35 feet in the next week so keep that in mind.

Also Keith and I did some trimming out there today. We cleared out alot of the stray limbs. Still have some more to do. Plus Dustin was out there today putting a coat of white paint on the tee posts but they still need ALOT of work lol...guess thats why Dustin is not in the manual labor field....lmao ;)

[Sportznut]

LOL

That would have been a sight to see for sure.

[Tomwin]

No one got a picture of him doing labor did they? Good to see people out doing stuff though. We need to make a sign to keep people from playing through the trees on 15, a mando left and put it way down the fairway right before the bend.

[fuzzy]

Once we move that tee back then there is really no way to play through the trees. Also the new tee will be located about 35 feet back and about 15 feet over to the left which is alot higher ground and should drain alot better.

[dg]

number 5's tee box needs to be move barely forward and a little to the left so that the run up isnt muddy.


If you guys want to move 15 be my guest, I think putting a mando on the pole (left) and a tree (right) would be sufficient


I think we should go ahead and put a mando on number 1 too

[Tomwin]

on 15, there is no need to mando the telephone pole. At first I thought that it would be a bigger problem than it is with people throwing that way.

I'm not sure why you would want a mando on hole 1. If people are throwing from the right of the tee sign / brick area call them on a foot fault. I just dont like putting mandos up just to have one. If it's a safety thing like hole 15 with 14's green area and 16's tee area I don't have a problem. I don't see where there is an issue on hole 1 though, if we have to move the tee over a little on hole 1 to take away the left side route, lets do that.

[fuzzy]

Well moving 15 back not only eliminates having a mando to the right it also puts the tee on higher ground and away from the slop that it is currently sitting in.

DG, would you be willing to call the guy from the city and inquire about concrete tees for Klein? I personally am not a big fan of concrete tees but I think there are too many positives to having them there and we should try to have them. With all the positive traffic that disc golf has brought to Klein I feel like the parks dept. would be willing to allow them there.

I know if we made the effort that we could raise the money for them. The cost for pads is about $80 per pad.


Come on DG, you know you want to call him!!! DO IT!! DO IT!!! :)

[fuzzy]

Went to Klein today and did some more maintenance. Also moved a few holes a bit. Thanks to Keith for digging the holes to move the posts.

Changes to note:

#5 Moved the tee over a bit ( think we still need to move it over more though :( )

#7- We moved the tee back 87 feet. Hole is now 319 feet.

#12 Moved back 45 feet. Hole is now 293 feet.

#15 Moved back and over and added a double mandotory, tree on the right and telephone pole on left. Hole is now 326 feet.

#16- Moved back 54 feet. Hole is now 325 feet.


Some of the changes were do to tee box issues and some were changed make the course better as a whole.

[Tomwin]

Did you adjust the red bricks that point from hole to hole?

[fuzzy]

Nah....we were getting rained on so we will have to finish up tomorrow.

[AveSatani]

in my opinion the telephone poles on the left SHOULDN'T be mando on #15, but the trees on the right should for safety.

[fuzzy]

AveSatani, keep in mind that I moved the teebox back and over toward the street more. If it was borderline necessary before then it is even more necessary now IMO so we went ahead and put it up.

[AveSatani]

I see now. I didn't think about you moving the teebox to the left, i just assumed you moved it back. I like to go really wide on anhyzers(sp?) and i'm sure some lefties like to take it out wide hyzer, but if you have a fairly good straight route (sounds like slight anhyzer) then that will be ok.
Are you going to play in the Wed. tourneys? I need a few more people to lose to, my self esteem is way to high.

[fuzzy]

The extra wide annie IS limited because of the mando even with the new box. You cannot possibly go wider then me on a annie shot so I know how you feel. The mandos do not make this hole harder though IMO. I would say it is same difficulty as before just slightly longer and no tree limbs in your face off the tee.

Now holes #12, #7 and #16 ARE harder:

#12 was moved back to higher ground which makes it much more difficult. It is basically the same shot but you have to put more on it or if you were using a mid-range driver then you will have to pull out a long driver now. Only time will tell but hopefully this teebox will stay dryer. Also we trimmed out alot of brush so no more getting robbed by those stray limbs.

#7- Basically decided to put it back to where the original design was. Originally the tee was to be put where it is now but I was concerned about the parking lot. Since the parking lot there doesn't seem to be an issue like previously thought I figured now was as good a time as any to make that hole wht it was supposed to be.

#15- This hole was also originally supposed to be back where it is now(well actually up against the trees more). For some reason when we installed it we ended up putting it where it was. I have have no idea why I did that but I figured now was the time to go ahead and put it where it was meant to be.

#16- We moved it back to the best place on higher ground. As you will see the tee is pretty close to #15 fairway and is the reason we put the double mando on 15. This hole now has the open and defined lefty route and a longer version of the original hyzer route. Once again we did alot of trimming so the ceiling is higher and no more stray limbs smacking down your shot.


Overall with all the trimming and moving we did I beleive the course is not only better but more fair to all who play.

[fuzzy]

Oh, Yeah I will be playing next league but I seriously doubt with the way I've been playing this year that I will be of any help on your quest to destroy your self-esteem..... :)

[josh]

Would #4 be better if it's tee box was adjusted forward and out slightly to ease the dogleg a bit?

[josh]

(I realize this would be the only adjustment to a hole which makes it easier.)

[dg]

i like number four, maybe even move it back some

i cant wait to get out there and try the new holes


also, when are we gonna put some permanent tees for the longs at terryl?

[fuzzy]

Josh #4 if anything would go back, but I am sure that will never happen for a permanant tee. The dogleg has been eased some with some trimming that we did out there. The trimming makes the corner not so sharp.

Dg, I need money to do that.

[CypressTrout]

I kind of like #4 tee where it is because it's as easy to go long as to go short & long is definitely not a good thing.Where did the teebox for #7 move to ?? Across the parking lot ?? Just thinking... Moving the #5 tee over towards the backstop on the other side of the path(coming from #4, take a left , instead of a right). Then , # 6 could tee from the present tee but basket would be back against the woods (behind where # 5 tee used to be) in the corner. Then , # 7 tee could be from where & 6 basket was before(you would now have to cross the ditch to get to the hole). Just some thoughts maybe in the future if some alternate pins were set. Glad to see all the work going into it, can't wait to try out the new design. :)

[fuzzy]

Yeah Kev I would have really liked to use more of that field but due to the baseball players practicing there the city asked that we stay as far away from that backstop as possible.

#7 we just moved it straight back approx 90 feet to where we originally planned to put it. When we first designed the course I felt like the parking lot would come into play to much so we put it short. Over time I realized that the parking lot was not an issue and since we were making course improvements decided to go ahead and put it where it was meant to be.

Also to anyone who cares to play it, hole number 8 will have a long pro tee. There is nothing marking it right now but if you would like to try it then just cross the ditch and drive from in front of the big tree at the back of that feild. It is really a very good hole.

[Tomwin]

pro tees suck! play the course how it was designed =)

[fuzzy]

That is how it was originally designed, well kinda. We put the tee where it is now on the design until we could find out whether the other side of the ditch was part of the park. As it turned out it was not part of the park so we kept the tee where it is. :P

[Tomwin]

I put the mando signs i made up on 15 earlier today. Hole 7 needs to be moved back to it's original spot. If you want a pro tee for it, put one back where it's at. There was some sort of party going on near the bathrooms and the parking lot was full, whenever we played it 2 shots almost hit cars.

Besides that, I play disc golf to have fun, hole 7 how it was, was a lot of fun. A player of any skill level could do well on that hole and have the excitement of possibly getting an ace. We even had one at night shortly after the course was put in if i remember correct. In the shorter position, you had to use some skill in how you threw the shot, if you go for it and went long you are OB, now whenever you throw, you will be landing where that long ob will not come into play anymore. The hole is still in the ground for the post, please move it back and put a pro tee like you have on hole 8 in the long position if you want to play it there.

Hole 16 is interesting, I see where it needs to be moved up a bit to keep it out of 15's throwing path. If someone in a tournament or mini event was on 16's tee currently and someone missed the 15 mando short. The people on 16 might have a headache. I kinda like where the tee for it is now though, now there's a righty and lefty route for the hole. If it were moved up 15 or so feet it might be in a good spot.

I liked where you put the other tees though.

[dg]

i still think 5 needs to be moved 10 feedt up and left

i see where the parking lot is kinda in the way on 7, and its not quite as exciting as the short, but i really like the new placement, its not that hard of a birdie really

but it probably should be moved back to short, just so its more aceble for beginners and cuase if just 1 yo yo parks at the end of the parking lot, it will completly ruin the hole

i really like 12 now too, good spot

fifteen is better now too, i like the double mando

i like the view of sixteen now, although its too close to 15's fairway, but im not really that fond of the hole now

i think maybe we should scope out another spot one day, but its fine for now

i still cant decide if we should put a mando on number 1, we dont really hvae to, just really need to stress foot faults on that hole

thats my 2 cents

[fuzzy]

#16 could not go up 15 feet because then it would turn into a mud hole like the other tee. When we put the tee where it is that was the closest place to the pin we could put it. We were out there while it was raining and all in front of where the tee is now was a puddle. I guess I basically went ahead with it because the risk of injury was less back there then it was in an ankle breaker teebox.

Jury is stilll out on #7. Personally I feel that there are plenty of ace run holes out there so to me that is not an issue. But, I do not really care for the hole myself for the other reasons you stated. I was there this aftenoon when the cars were in the parking lot and it was a problem. I also feel,like you said, that the ditch comes less into play now.

It was TOO easy in the shorter position. The tee can be moved forward though and I am thinking taking it from 319 feet where it is to about 275(just behind that cable) will accomplish the parking lot problem while also keeping it an aceable hole which will bring the ditch back into play more. In theory it sounds like a good idea to me but I will just have to see. I am torn on it because me and you are the only 2 poeple that seems to have a problem with it long for any reason .

Rest assured that I am taking all things into consideration and am just trying to make Klein the best course that it can be.

[Tomwin]

I played my round with derrick gil (long throwing lefty which gave some nice lefty input on the layouts) and ray mason.

On hole 7 both of them liked the hole better than in the long position and hoped it was moved back.

Hole 12 we all liked the change. Having it there is really the only option unless dirt and grass or a concrete tee is put in on the old spot. Unforunately it does a good job of taking away the birdie opportunity there and makes that hole one that most people will get a 3 on. We did like it there though and thought it was a better hole than before.

Hole 13 neither of them really cared for the hole itself, neither do I but that's another issue :)

Hole 15 plays really nice now, The mandos only come into play if you make a bad throw. But isn't that the whole reason to have a mando? to force the good throw keeping the area in question safe from discs. Ray parked the hole, damn near right under the basket. Derrick had no problems with it either being a lefty.

Hole 16, Derrick really likes the new spot 100% better than the old one for the simple fact that there is a lefty route now where before 16 was just about impossible for him to have a chance on with a birdie. The hole isn't a problem in casual play, but in an event where someone was on hole 15 teeing off and people were teeing on hole 16 if someone missed the mando of 15 short, there is the only time it might be a problem.

[dg]

i like 7 at the long, but it should go back to the short

one day we have got to do something with 13, i dont want to make it shorter or easier, or harder, but something

[Tomwin]

I think the best solution would be a pro tee for 7 for those who wish to play it that way, otherwise lets play it short. it's still a challenge short, yes there are more 2's that are going to be made than on most holes, but you have the real potential for 4's just as easy

[fuzzy]

#7 is back short(well Keith was ready to dig so it is moved to about 255 feet , 20 or so back from original...lol) no real difference then the original but I didn't dig it so why not...lol

I had the pleasure of meeting YBW and wife out at Klein today and played about half the course with them. BIG thanks to YBW for putting some number and distance labels on each tee today!!!!!! I caught him off guard by changing #7 today so the distance is off on that one. (sorry :| )

[YBW]

I will try to re-label tees 7 (255') and 13 (396') sometime this week. Let me know if you ever need help doing some work out there. I don't have any equipment, but I may have some time.

[fuzzy]

Would someone please tell me who decided to take it upon themselves to move tee posts at Klein????

[Tomwin]

do we need to get some concrete for the posts?

[fuzzy]

I think i have it figured out. I will talk to you about it at league tonight.