Reward for info

[el-jefe]

I think the club should put up a 500 dollar reward for any info leading to the recovery of a basket that has been stolen. I know its a lot to ask seeing as though we are desperate for funds. But we need to somehow detur theft from locals. and 500 bucks would give someone and brand new basket and bag of discs. Also it would give incentive to turn in someone who has a stolen basket. All info would be held in confidence and identities of people giving info would not be revealed. Also, if you have a stolen basket and would like to return it, dump it off at the course it was taken from and we will handle the rest no questions asked.

[dg]

jefe you have lost your mind. $500?

[Tomwin]

How could you possibly put up a reward for something that is more than the item that was taken? It's not like this is someone's missing child or anything. If the club has the extra funds, just buy a new one or something. What about John James, last I heard he was telling me that he was supposed to get Thomas' old benders and stuff for the stroke savers. Now's as good of a time as any to see what's up with that and maybe get some effort to learn how to make them etc..

[fuzzy]

$500!!! Sweet! I will have a (soon to be stolen) basket to you shortly :) As a matter of fact i know where i can find about 35 baskets :mrgreen: That's gonna be $17,500 in my pocket. Cash only please!

I'm Rich Bitch!!!! :twisted:

[el-jefe]

if you can steal a basket and get away with it, hell you might want to go back with your buddy and get another. And then someone else joins their group and wants one so he takes one. Now we are down three. Yes 500 bucks is more than enough for a new basket, but by just replacing the basket, rogue players have nothing to make them stop and think twice about what their doing. And the 500 dollars is paid when the stolen basket is recovered. If you think you will be able to take a basket and stash it in the woods or something and get 500 bucks for reporting it? it won't happen that way. If you see a basket on the side of the road or in the woods, you had better grab it. There is no excuse to not do something that would recover a basket. Also remember that we as a club will push for prosecution of theives. And the police will be involved in every incident of theft or vandalism so if a basket goes missing and is found to be in a players backyard. The person giving up the info would get 500 bucks after the police have recovered the basket. If you see a basket anywhere that was dumped or planted in another park, I think it would be your duty as a local disc golfer to pick it up or at least tell someone.
JJ has all the equipment. Too bad no one knows how to assemble it or how it really works. We could make strokesavers again for replacements and sell them to locals at just over cost, with the 10 or 15% going to the club. If we could make the baskets, I wouldn't really care too much if they got stolen except for the hassle involved with making and putting in a new one. The problem is that we can't replace stolen or damaged baskets at klein with strokesavers and if we have to replace some we could end up with several different styles of baskets.
Also if we could figure out the jig system, we could raise money for the cost of materials and put in courses every couple of years, a course would be put in at a setex park from bmt pat org out to winnie, up to woodville and maybe eventually up to the lakes. :rolleyes: if only hell would freeze over. anyway, we could replace baskets as needed at half price.

[sturmgeist]

I think a $100 reward would be plenty generous if you want to go that route.

As far as the baskets are concerned, I doubt seriously that a couple of mechanically minded people couldn't reverse engineer the system that Thomas and Frank had in place. If anyone knows Chuck who is out playing occasionally with his dog(a big tame rotweiler whose name I forget) and works at the PA docks where Frank got so severely injured, he has told me in the past that he worked with Thomas in the past bending metal for baskets. Maybe he could provide some insight into the contraption?

I think that it is worth examining at least, I mean, what harm could come of that? We're not talking about reverse engineering a nuclear submarine, or unlocking the secrets of the ark of the covenant.

[el-jefe]

100 bucks aint worth gettin involved with. Hell if I found a stolen basket in someones backyard I'd get it back, and since there is already a new one at the course, keep it. 500 bucks would get me to report it.

[el-jefe]

Not like we will have to ever pay up, we are not in charge of the island and we are down to one course and well I don't think we'd ever find a basket that was truly stolen.

[AveSatani]

forget the rig that Thomas used. i watched and helped him use it many times and he didn't enjoy building them. he did it to improve the area dg scene and because he had a lot of free time at home. the rig was not time efficient - it took forever to make one basket and was difficult.

[el-jefe]

If we want baskets cheap that are of any quality, I am willing to put forth the effort to make them, even if it takes a week to assemble one basket. Time = money and if we can spend some of our time as individuals to put forth that effort to improve the dg scene then so be it. I aint skeered and I'll spend one sat a month to build baskets if I can get some others to help me. I think if we had 3 people working we could get a lot done. Maybe we could get 3 people every weekend to build a basket. that could = at least 30 baskets a year taking into account vacations, holidays and events. Thats a 27 hole course a year with 3 baskets as trophies at our players championship.

I know that I look at the potential of things and plan BIG, but Ive seen bigger things accomplished by fewer people, and it can be done. Effort is all it takes. When I was working on old cars with a buddy of mine we used to have the saying "blood, sweat and beers. I think that applies here. If you want something bad enough, you'll do what has to be done. Thomas knew that. If it weren't for him, none of us would know one another and we would't be playing dg anywhere in setex except maybe at claibourne park, but I think that was inspired by thomas's baskets at tpark. If one man can do it, we as a club should be able to handle it.

[fuzzy]

I've helped him and Frank build a few baskets and I can tell you that, if you havent seen the jigs, its nothing like anything you could picture in your mind...lol I dont foresee anyone being able to put all those jigs back together. Trying to plan on using that stuff is a big dead end if you ask me.

If the club wants to invest in something that will result in getting baskets, then I say buy a mobile BBQ pit. Could see about setting up shop in the store parking lot on the corner. $2 a link....$1 a drink....$3 link a boudain. Of course this would have to wait til the 501(c) went through.

[el-jefe]

who would volunteer to work it?

[fuzzy]

the same people that would volunteer to build baskets.

you didnt think that question through did you?....lol you always gotta try to read between the lines with me :mrgreen:

[el-jefe]

yea, I can find time here and there to build baskets, manning a pit for fundraising requires a whole lot more help and a not so flexible schedule. Someone has to cook, clean,collect money and dish out links or whatever and then clean and pack up.
If we can make the proper bends, making a jig shouldn't be that much of a problem. Like I said in my previous post,"If one man can do it", I know I can do it. I may not be able to put in as much time, but I would work every sat morning for a couple of hours and then go play a round or if im on a roll keep building. See what would drive me in working like that is seeing immediate results and a pile of tops and bottoms stacking up with the idea of a new course at the end of all the work. I can do it, the question is, would you?

[sturmgeist]

I have a guy who's a machinist out at DuPont, has been working there for probably around 30 years, he's the most skilled machinist/welder/etc that I've ever seen. I'm gonna have him look at my practice basket, just as an example, and ask him what the most efficient way to go about building one would be, and what sort of setup would be needed. I'm with Jeff on this one, except that I CAN devote some substantial time to it. This is the sort of thing I'd like to be able to help with.

[fuzzy]

Would I? I never missed a day of building the Klein baskets. Would I do it again? Not for Beaumont.

[dg]

Not for Beaumont.

ahhh, now your talkin shit

[fuzzy]

Oh come on! A basket sits in the woods for 2 days while people just look and walk past it....i think some talking shit is allowed...lol

[el-jefe]

I wouldn't blame it on beaumont. Blame it on kneel for doing nothing while he was there but don't blame bmt. Blame it on me for not seeing it there that next morning, or it would have been back in the ground then. Its kinda like blaming mid county for the two recent thefts from the isle.

You aint gotta job and really should get out of the house more. hell between you and will, ya'll should be able to knock out some baskets in no time.:mrgreen:

[fuzzy]

Apples and Oranges....I wasnt blaming a theft on "Bmt".....i was making a point that the percentage of people in Bmt who give a shit about the courses are very small. With such a large percent who could care less, why would i bother doing more then i already have for them? I am not going to lay it all on Neal either. When I was up there the other day i heard of a few other groups of people that knew the basket was sitting there and did nothing. I imagine there was even more then that.

Also, the way I see it, is I did my part in helping Beaumont DG grow. Its grown up way more then I ever thought it would. With that growth you would think it would be unnecesary for me to have to travel 50 miles round trip to do stuff that plenty of people who live closer, and play there much more then i do, can do.

I am not trying to act all high and mighty and take any credit for anything or act as if I or Mid-county players in general are better, so please dont take all this that way. I'd just like to see a larger percentage of the player pool in Bmt step up and take some responsibility in promoting, upkeep and new ventures in that area. I know a few of you do the best you can, some above and beyond what they should, but why out of such a large player pool do 3-4 people, plus a couple not even from that area, have to do EVERYTHING?

Some more Bmt players need to step up. I will save my energy for anything that might happen a little closer to home.

[sturmgeist]

Because history has shown that the people in this area are never going to actively support anything. There is no genuine support for the local music scene, for local business, for anything really. That's just how the area is, and it's not JUST Beaumont either, it's our whole SETX area. People around here are so jaded and mercenary that it's depressing at times, but this is where we live, and so long as we stay here, we have to make the best of it.

[fuzzy]

I guess it just comes down to a new breed of players formed after Klein. When I started there may have only been a few people that played DG regularly around here anymore but those that did went WAY out of there way to make sure and help, give their discs away, whatever they could. How i saw it was this unwritten code that you get help getting in and you pay it forward in return. Caleb, Tommy, Robert, Shane, Dennis, Thomas (sorry if i am missing anyone) all set that example for me and Matt coming in and I feel like we did and still do follow that way of thinking. This is just the way it was in every DG community I have ever had the pleasure of being around(probably still is in most DG communities). In my eyes that way has kinda disappeared for the most part around here. Sure there are alot of generous and helping people that have come into the game but as a whole that way seems to have become a thing of the past.

Sorry, I am bitter and I'm going to keep ranting until I feel better or until people stop responding to me and triggering me to post again :mrgreen:

[el-jefe]

to be honest, I wouldn't do any of this if it wouldn't benefit me by improveing the quality of play in the area. I guess I just want it more than someone who is satisfied with what we have or is dependant on others to pull the weight.

[sturmgeist]

Like I said, I have a guy who can look at something like a basket, and reverse engineer it in his head, and tell me the best way of going about making something like it. If it seems feasible to attempt tooling up for the effort, then I would like to try.